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	<title>Comments on: Free Ning No More: My Two Cents</title>
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	<description>A Venezuelan in Berkeley blogging about social media, nonprofits, diabetes and health 2.0.</description>
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		<title>By: shelly jardine</title>
		<link>http://askmanny.com/2010/04/free-ning-no-more-my-two-cents/#comment-2783</link>
		<dc:creator>shelly jardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 01:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks i agree with it should be free for nonprofts</description>
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		<title>By: Ning Changes: Lessons Learned</title>
		<link>http://askmanny.com/2010/04/free-ning-no-more-my-two-cents/#comment-2782</link>
		<dc:creator>Ning Changes: Lessons Learned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 03:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] day following the announcement, after a night of little sleep, I wrote an Open Letter to Jason Rosenthal and Marc Andreesen, the CEO and the Chairman/Co-Founder of Ning. In the post I appealed to them, asking them to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] day following the announcement, after a night of little sleep, I wrote an Open Letter to Jason Rosenthal and Marc Andreesen, the CEO and the Chairman/Co-Founder of Ning. In the post I appealed to them, asking them to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ning Planning to Remain Free for Teachers - Bits Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://askmanny.com/2010/04/free-ning-no-more-my-two-cents/#comment-2781</link>
		<dc:creator>Ning Planning to Remain Free for Teachers - Bits Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 15:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] company&#8217;s initial announcement sparked a  round of spirited discussion among nonprofit groups about the perils of relying on free [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robyn McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://askmanny.com/2010/04/free-ning-no-more-my-two-cents/#comment-2780</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyn McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now, Ning is focusing on survival; philanthropy is probably not prominent on their hierarchy of need right now. This is likely what has led them to make their announcement with a seeming disregard for some of the communities they serve. Fortunately, Manny and others like him will remind them that they could have done a better job of communicating their plans and what the results will mean to their stakeholders. We can all hope that when they do remember, they reach out to the nonprofit communities to find a creative way to ease the pain.

My experience is that online services either find a way to monetize or disappear entirely. Because online life - like financial life for small nonprofits - has only minute-to-minute stability, a social media Plan B is a necessity. When you&#039;re wrapped up in your mission, this can be difficult to find time for. It usually comes back to the short-term and long-term. You can give up (or procrastinate) on long-term planning in favour of serving the need short-term, or you can take time away from serving the need to ensure that you&#039;re still around in the long-term. Balancing your short and long-term commitments can be difficult when one&#039;s heart is involved so deeply in the mission, but it&#039;s worthwhile and necessary, even in social media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now, Ning is focusing on survival; philanthropy is probably not prominent on their hierarchy of need right now. This is likely what has led them to make their announcement with a seeming disregard for some of the communities they serve. Fortunately, Manny and others like him will remind them that they could have done a better job of communicating their plans and what the results will mean to their stakeholders. We can all hope that when they do remember, they reach out to the nonprofit communities to find a creative way to ease the pain.</p>
<p>My experience is that online services either find a way to monetize or disappear entirely. Because online life &#8211; like financial life for small nonprofits &#8211; has only minute-to-minute stability, a social media Plan B is a necessity. When you&#8217;re wrapped up in your mission, this can be difficult to find time for. It usually comes back to the short-term and long-term. You can give up (or procrastinate) on long-term planning in favour of serving the need short-term, or you can take time away from serving the need to ensure that you&#8217;re still around in the long-term. Balancing your short and long-term commitments can be difficult when one&#8217;s heart is involved so deeply in the mission, but it&#8217;s worthwhile and necessary, even in social media.</p>
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		<title>By: To Ning or Not to Ning? &#171; Tara&#039;s Tidbits</title>
		<link>http://askmanny.com/2010/04/free-ning-no-more-my-two-cents/#comment-2779</link>
		<dc:creator>To Ning or Not to Ning? &#171; Tara&#039;s Tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 01:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] informative.  This kind of ties into the end of the previous point.  Manny Hernandez, the author of “Ning for Dummies” and a promoter of Ning for the past three years, found out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] informative.  This kind of ties into the end of the previous point.  Manny Hernandez, the author of “Ning for Dummies” and a promoter of Ning for the past three years, found out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Q Todd</title>
		<link>http://askmanny.com/2010/04/free-ning-no-more-my-two-cents/#comment-2778</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Q Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been following this debate with interest because for nearly 2 years I have been a strong opponent of Ning.
I came to the internet reasonably recently and only really know of Social Media.
Social Media is Twitter, Facebook, Buzz and You Tube.
Anything outside this is not conversational so is not social and is not media as it does little or no promotion for what you are doing.
These 4 platforms are the INternet.Everything else is the OUTernet

3 years ago I joined an organisation called XL Results Foundation
Over 3000 of us paid around $10,000 for a life membership and the idea was that we would work together to eradicate poverty and hunger in alliance with the UN Millenium goals.
The organisation originally had an extremely expensive website but it was unwieldly so we left that and gravitated towards Facebook around 2 years ago.
A few and not many at all members complained because they wanted privacy and did not like Facebook.
18 months ago and to my absolute horror a Ning site was started.At that time we were growing rapidly and drawing many of our friends into discussions and events on Facebook.
Almost immediately I watched the organisation begin to die as no one saw any of our conversations from then on.All charities or groups are going to have attrition of members.
There was fervent daily discussion among hundreds of daily visitors for the first few months and literally hundreds of groups started
I was extremely outspoken and predicted death of XL within a year if the Ning site was not removed. Now around 2 or 3 people a week discuss anything at all on the Ning site.XL is for all intents and purposes dead and from having regular monthly meetings in over 50 cities in over 30 countries there is I do not think anything happening any longer
We removed ourselves from the conversation.We were at the party but in a separate room only talking to ourselves.
For the sake of a few members wanting to be more comfortable.

If there are some things your organisation really need to discuss in private (I cannot imagine what that might be) I suggest that you use www.huddle.net.
Otherwise stay as far away from platforms like Ning as you can</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following this debate with interest because for nearly 2 years I have been a strong opponent of Ning.<br />
I came to the internet reasonably recently and only really know of Social Media.<br />
Social Media is Twitter, Facebook, Buzz and You Tube.<br />
Anything outside this is not conversational so is not social and is not media as it does little or no promotion for what you are doing.<br />
These 4 platforms are the INternet.Everything else is the OUTernet</p>
<p>3 years ago I joined an organisation called XL Results Foundation<br />
Over 3000 of us paid around $10,000 for a life membership and the idea was that we would work together to eradicate poverty and hunger in alliance with the UN Millenium goals.<br />
The organisation originally had an extremely expensive website but it was unwieldly so we left that and gravitated towards Facebook around 2 years ago.<br />
A few and not many at all members complained because they wanted privacy and did not like Facebook.<br />
18 months ago and to my absolute horror a Ning site was started.At that time we were growing rapidly and drawing many of our friends into discussions and events on Facebook.<br />
Almost immediately I watched the organisation begin to die as no one saw any of our conversations from then on.All charities or groups are going to have attrition of members.<br />
There was fervent daily discussion among hundreds of daily visitors for the first few months and literally hundreds of groups started<br />
I was extremely outspoken and predicted death of XL within a year if the Ning site was not removed. Now around 2 or 3 people a week discuss anything at all on the Ning site.XL is for all intents and purposes dead and from having regular monthly meetings in over 50 cities in over 30 countries there is I do not think anything happening any longer<br />
We removed ourselves from the conversation.We were at the party but in a separate room only talking to ourselves.<br />
For the sake of a few members wanting to be more comfortable.</p>
<p>If there are some things your organisation really need to discuss in private (I cannot imagine what that might be) I suggest that you use <a href="http://www.huddle.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.huddle.net</a>.<br />
Otherwise stay as far away from platforms like Ning as you can</p>
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		<title>By: Crystal Kauffman</title>
		<link>http://askmanny.com/2010/04/free-ning-no-more-my-two-cents/#comment-2777</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal Kauffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a founder of a non profit and we have several ning platforms. I wish they would reconsider this direction they have taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a founder of a non profit and we have several ning platforms. I wish they would reconsider this direction they have taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Porcelli</title>
		<link>http://askmanny.com/2010/04/free-ning-no-more-my-two-cents/#comment-2776</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Porcelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Network Creator, guide on Creators.ning.com, and member of the Ning Creators Council, what I&#039;ve enjoy most is the sense of community between and among fellow creators and Ning staff. We&#039;re like extended family!

While I understand and appreciate the business logic of this move, as a family, we must ensure everyone is cared for.

Manny&#039;s suggestion of exploring options comparable to initiatives like Google Grants, YouTube’s Nonprofit Program and the Salesforce Foundation is where we need to look. Jacob&#039;s recommendation of 37signals free basecamp model also makes sense. Offer a network without groups, forums, events, photo&#039;s and videos.

A solution for helping small non-profits cover premiums would be to create a feature that makes it possible members to contribute small amounts like $1 per year to cover the costs of the premium services. This would remove the burden falling on one person. And yes, low cost does not have to be free - give us a tool to cover the low cost and we will!

I do however feel strongly that given this surprise move, that if a creator chooses not to pay for premium services, the ability to export content must be made available. It&#039;s a matter of integrity.

Jason and Mark, as you move forward you can count on us to roll our sleeves up as we love and Ning and want you to be profitable and continue to provide us with the awesome platform. In return, we ask you to do the right thing, honor the culture and expectations you&#039;ve set and ensure those are doing the good work, in service to others, may continue to do so.

Joseph Porcelli
http://www.neighborsforneighbors.org
http://www.josephporcelli.com
http://www.mugproject.com
http://www.nametagproject.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Network Creator, guide on Creators.ning.com, and member of the Ning Creators Council, what I&#8217;ve enjoy most is the sense of community between and among fellow creators and Ning staff. We&#8217;re like extended family!</p>
<p>While I understand and appreciate the business logic of this move, as a family, we must ensure everyone is cared for.</p>
<p>Manny&#8217;s suggestion of exploring options comparable to initiatives like Google Grants, YouTube’s Nonprofit Program and the Salesforce Foundation is where we need to look. Jacob&#8217;s recommendation of 37signals free basecamp model also makes sense. Offer a network without groups, forums, events, photo&#8217;s and videos.</p>
<p>A solution for helping small non-profits cover premiums would be to create a feature that makes it possible members to contribute small amounts like $1 per year to cover the costs of the premium services. This would remove the burden falling on one person. And yes, low cost does not have to be free &#8211; give us a tool to cover the low cost and we will!</p>
<p>I do however feel strongly that given this surprise move, that if a creator chooses not to pay for premium services, the ability to export content must be made available. It&#8217;s a matter of integrity.</p>
<p>Jason and Mark, as you move forward you can count on us to roll our sleeves up as we love and Ning and want you to be profitable and continue to provide us with the awesome platform. In return, we ask you to do the right thing, honor the culture and expectations you&#8217;ve set and ensure those are doing the good work, in service to others, may continue to do so.</p>
<p>Joseph Porcelli<br />
<a href="http://www.neighborsforneighbors.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.neighborsforneighbors.org</a><br />
<a href="http://www.josephporcelli.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.josephporcelli.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.mugproject.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mugproject.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nametagproject.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nametagproject.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Dolter</title>
		<link>http://askmanny.com/2010/04/free-ning-no-more-my-two-cents/#comment-2775</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Dolter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lastnight and today, each time I remember that Ning is trying to kill off the small nonprofit networks, I get depressed.  I run two tiny little networks that must take up very little of Ning&#039;s resources or server space.  Surely the cost of hosting them is just a small fraction of the $120 (or $240, or more) that Ning is now going to require.  Why not come up with an entry-level cost, let&#039;s say just $10 or so per year for networks with fewer than 100 members and no blogs...or something?  Or why not find more advertisers -- on all the free nings, purchases ought to lead to commissions at Ning, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lastnight and today, each time I remember that Ning is trying to kill off the small nonprofit networks, I get depressed.  I run two tiny little networks that must take up very little of Ning&#8217;s resources or server space.  Surely the cost of hosting them is just a small fraction of the $120 (or $240, or more) that Ning is now going to require.  Why not come up with an entry-level cost, let&#8217;s say just $10 or so per year for networks with fewer than 100 members and no blogs&#8230;or something?  Or why not find more advertisers &#8212; on all the free nings, purchases ought to lead to commissions at Ning, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Betting the Farm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betting the Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is an effort afloat to get Ning to make nonprofit and educational accounts free. I&#8217;m not holding my breath. They [...]</description>
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